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I had little or no interest at the time about any of the particulars of these cultural paradigms. My interest was finding a connection between the two cultures that would serve as a macro demonstration of the quantum world.

The ninety degree opposition fit nicely into the mathematical model that comes from the examination of an exhibited phenomena in the quantum model, something called simultaneous occurrence. This is another of those hard to get your head around concepts. A particle can appear simultaneously in two places. Sounds straight forward enough but it doesn’t travel between locations, it is not two particles appearing at the same time, it is the same particle occurring at the same time in two different locations. You might want to contemplate this.

With this model in hand and my conjecture about the usage of symbols, I began to look at the Tibetan and Hopi cultures.
Now this was 1963, these cultures did not have the iconic mass appeal that they do now. It had only been four years since His Holiness the Dalai Lama was forced to flee Tibet. It would be another 15 years before His Holiness even visited the U.S. and not one Hollywood star wore robes or spoke of tantra.

The interesting thing was that the 13th Dalai Lama had written of and prophecized about the terrible fate that awaited the Tibetans. A fate resulting from their isolation and an insight to the “middle road”. The insight was that the teachings and knowledge of the Tibetans was needed by the world. This spreading of the Tibetan culture around the world by the Chinese oppression was simply a 2x4 to the forehead of the Tibetans (my metaphor).

The Hopi had a similar long history of self imposed isolation of their knowledge and teachings. This self preservation and isolation was a very understandable response to the screw job at the hands of the government of the U.S. One thing that struck me was the fact that the Hopi and Navajo of the four corners area were the only Native Americans that were not removed from their ancestral homes. That fact confused me, then I visited the area of the Hopi Mesas. (Another metaphor coming) have you ever visited a maternity ward and seen the child that “only a mother could love”?

Now, I have never been to Tibet. When it would have been possible for me, it was a decision of conscience not to go to Tibet as long as the Dalai Lama could not. The Hopi mesas, while being at first impression that ugly child, I visited twice at this time. It is with no reservation that I state that the Hopi mesas are the most magical place that I have ever visited. The light has a different quality and if you listen the wind speaks.

The fact that the wind spoke to me was good, because no one else would. Sure the gift shops attendants were eager, but any inquiries that went beyond the price, and I was told that only the Elders could speak of such things and they weren’t talking to me. I wasn’t Hopi and fourteen years old at the time. So my first ventures into the Tibetan and Hopi spiritual paradigms were through translated writings.

I found upon study that the ancient religion of the Tibetans was called Ba, and it was full of deities and demons that reflected their world back to them. (these are still an integral part of the Tibetan paradigm) The Hopi’s have as intricate a system of Kachinas. It amazed me that excluding names due to language that the two systems are basically mirror images of each other, down to the fact that the positive and negative aspects of each were represented by the same kachina or deity. Both systems recognized that both aspects were present and needed for their existence.

This was the macro demonstration of quantum. I wrote papers and sent my findings both to the Council of Elders of the Hopi and representatives of the Tibetan government in exile. They both said that my findings were “extremely interesting” and would take them under advisement and I didn’t hear from either again for fifteen years.

In 1979, I believe it was, I was living in Japan and received correspondence from both the Tibetans and the Hopi. They stated pretty much the same, that their scholars had looked at my findings and had found deeper connections that were beyond my knowledge. The connection was firmly established when His Holiness came to America for the first time and requested a visit with the Hopi. He showed up wearing the red hat of the kalachakra. It was the fulfillment of Hopi prophecy that a visitor of great importance would show up one day wearing a red hat, a marker in the countdown for the end of the fourth age of man.

This validation was a turning point for me. I was now considered eligible for oral transmission of knowledge in both paradigms. My physics professors thought this avenue of investigation was “clever”, but a career killer. So I killed it.

I decided that the clues to my understanding was not going to be found by more intellectual inquiry, but rather the expanding of my consciousness. I took my science training into an examination and hopefully an expansion of my personal consciousness. Hindu, Tibetan, Zen, Taoism, Kaballa, Sufi, Hopi, Cherokee, Chippewa, and Mayan/Toltec are all paradigms that I have had this oral transmission of teachings.

From this point forward in this discussion the facts become a bit more subjective, but are my personal truths found on this journey. I know that personal truth is just that, personal, but I feel compelled to go forward anyway.


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Wingfire, I personally believe that__the subject of your inquiry has already proven very important, and that is because you are the one, who is sharing it__ here__with all the knowledge and insight you already have. You are not asking us to believe__that you don't already know, that it has already proven itself to you. You know to the depths pf your soul, that your worth and your heart's objective is this work.

The light of this truth is your life's mission. To find the way__ to the truth__to fascilitate the blending of world cultures and peoples. It is science and spirit and religion and culture and the healing__. In a manner of speaking__It is the work of the angels(guardians of Knowledge). In the West it has always been the search for the ark of the covenant, which has hosted the drive of science and religion and great inductive and deductive thinkers through time. I am thinking I can't circum-navigate this question.

I am merely a man, I am dancing around in a blender, looking for a gateway. A way to explain a position, taken, not without risk. I may explain, that I do not have certain knowledge of anything, but I am having a reaction to the imformation you imparted. It moved me to record this__ for it is coming off my hand, until it ends, and then I will send it, and you can delete it or say,...What?...Oh!. Just know, I got some part of it.

You're not investigating the obvious__You knew your mission, when you were young and everything since has been__ on course,... for where you are now. I can't explain, what you know, so I depend on you to explain what you mean. I was not even trying to get my brain to jump up and down. I am a feeling person. I read you, and because I want to know what you have found, and I have read other parts of your blog, and I observe your inquiry...as a process__a course of action. It is important, or you would not bother to bring it here. I also recognize, that you see the 'stream' for what it is __ a conduit to other subjects, which are also involved in this mission. The 'who of 'which'
are writers and artists and thinkers and believers in a better way__
and that search to explain.

How do we explain__ the mission of man on earth...from here on,...if all the words and thoughts, we hear, on our publicly generated education entertainmnent__politically-correct__thinking__MANTRA/VISION system,...seems to promote the end of the world scenario, as a viable option, but let's make a buck off you... before we all just checkout.

I use the analogy of the ark__as the carrot__in the appeal of the search for the rabbits' lost burrow. So much of the world is living underground, undetected, unexplained, hiding, because we are scared like rabbits.

We crawl into any hole and hope that the assembled rooms are accomodating enough to secure our safety and our future, at least until, we get bored, and find ourselves__having to look for another similiar unexplained reason for choosing something else (another set of holes). On the good days we come up above our warren and look to the horizon and think about whats over the next hill. Our safety in our insecurity lies in our fear of explaining our trepidation__ as our longing for truth. The ability to assemble a plan to conquer that fear is drummed out of us everyday,...just by__ a generalized malady of non-specific longing. We are scrambled and we are microwaved into submission to a non- mission mission. It's all over before it gets started.

I love our prospects. I believe in your system of inquiry, You have acquired a great love for the truth, the provable elements of reality.
I don't over intellectualize, because I am not trained to do that.
I have more of an affinity for art and music and history and spiritual searching and I know these things are realizeable and valid in my
proofs.

Now I am looking to close this comment, because it is time for the Spaghetti__ I made and my family__wife and daughter want to eat...so I am out and this is all for now, so I hope, I have not been a pain, and I will enjoy again, your writing, of that I am sure. Wingfire, I like your way. It is far out. TR
 
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by trust the rust (PM , CC ) on Tuesday March 20, 2007 @ 9:35 PM




does this itch at your brain?



love..(mirror image)....evol as in evol > ve
as in evol > ution
man in continual sacrifice evolving to spirit
and more.

at it's root....

love.


shoutoutgirl
 
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by shoutoutgirl (PM , CC ) on Wednesday March 21, 2007 @ 1:22 PM




trust the rust

thank you for stopping by and your comments. it is true that I have been a seeker most of my life. for truth must not be just a knowledge thing but something that rings in your heart as well. it took along time for that truth, as any sharing of my journey. you can look to my life partner for the impetus to share. I spent many years with the attitude that, I found mine, get your own.

it is important to note that I follow in a tradition of simply pointing out the moon, what you do with the direction is an individual choice. in a basic premise of shamanism is best expressed by the Lakota, you should never cross a man's fire.

I hope to speak next of the feathered serpent Quetzalcoatl. will be awaiting your comments.

wingfire
 
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by wingfire (PM , CC ) on Wednesday March 21, 2007 @ 3:46 PM




shoutoutgirl

i have reached a point in my journey that if it doesn't itch my brain, then there is someone else thinking about that and i will just concentrate on my own scratching.

look forward to your comments in the future.

wingfire
 
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by wingfire (PM , CC ) on Wednesday March 21, 2007 @ 3:53 PM




The writer may ask, "Are you the observer? and if you are, then are you seperate from the Observed?"
Oral tradition has much to give us and much to teach us. Oral transmission keeps the "teaching" fresh and within the contextual cultural time/event. This allows changes that take into account idioms and ongoing changes in definition.
Let's meet on cold mountain.
good Work!
 
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by capananda (PM , CC ) on Wednesday March 28, 2007 @ 7:36 PM




capananda

the central treatise of what i've been posting revolves around the illusion of observer and and observerved. the truth of quantum, that consciousness and matter are paradoxically paired that they are the same and that it is not possible to observe without effect.

you know, i have thought alot about oral transmission vs. second hand. i think the difference is that a skilled teacher recognizes when the student needs to quit thinking, when you are reading for example, you always seem to push past where youi should and stopped. a good teacher knows when the silence of the student is necessary.

wingfire
 
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by wingfire (PM , CC ) on Thursday March 29, 2007 @ 4:38 PM




wingfire,

Again, a very engaging and thought provoking offering. The old adage 'silence is golden' comes to mind when I think of you listening to the wind speak.

I have been investigating the similarities between the mystic traditions of different religions, and it is compelling to me that there are so many blatant likenesses between them all.

I will certainly be looking forward to your subjective opinions...

peace, wayf
 
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by wayfarer (PM , CC ) on Thursday March 29, 2007 @ 4:45 PM




wayfarer

you know, it took years of hard work to quiet my mind in order that i could hear the silence. since i acquired the skill it has served me better than perhaps any skill or talent i posses.

my reasearch indicates to me that the similiarities particuliarly in the mystic sects of religions that do not even like the fact that they have mystic roots. it is just that, their roots. when you trace everything back you discover that what we refer to is pagan is really earth based. all earth base paradigms are a reflecvtion of those people's relationship to their relative tenaious position in their environment.

when and where you share survival is a powerful common outlook.

wingfire
 
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by wingfire (PM , CC ) on Friday March 30, 2007 @ 4:09 PM




I am intrigued with your thoughts. I will be back.
n.
 
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by n. lynn (PM , CC ) on Monday April 2, 2007 @ 11:33 AM




Have a blessed Sunday...
Love Lucy


 
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by Lucy. (PM , CC ) on Sunday April 15, 2007 @ 3:32 PM




So many of the recent observations by physicists are mentioned casually by those who relate what happened to them during their nde. Reading through your very informative posts, I find all the material is familiar to me - through having read hundreds of nde's. I am making notes and will in the end have a few questions you might answer for me. Thanks for the great reading material! Have a neat weekend, etc. Tome  
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by Tomme (PM , CC ) on Sunday May 13, 2007 @ 6:30 PM




Tomme

look forward to it. My first famaliar with the nomenclature of near death experience, aren't these really the experience of coming back from the dead, i mean you are dead , right.

wingfire
 
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by wingfire (PM , CC ) on Monday May 14, 2007 @ 3:40 PM




Clinical death is usual though not mandatory for a true nde. It is the experience of what happens to someone from the time his heart stops until the time he is resussitated. I have read some very compelling nde-like experiences (lacking only the clinical death aspect). I have read hundreds and can't believe that something this earthshaking was going on with millions of people and I did not know anything of it for most of my life.

I find it interesting that different people have very different experiences in terms of what they bring back with them from their nde. Several have patented devices they learned of during their nde, medical devices that were very important. Some come back knowing physics or having the ability to write symphonies when they couldn't play an instrument before. It is rather mindboggling. I save to file the ones that contribute "new" information and I have quite a collection that I want to find the time to organize. If you google "nde's" and then select NDERF or IANDS, either one, you will be able to read as many as you care to. These are both non-profit sites that interview individuals reporting nde's to ascertain whether their experiences fit the profile of a genuine nde.

Thanks for the offer of guidance in my collision with quantam physics. Can you imagine that I have a fairly apt understanding of some of the principles and I gave gained this understanding from nde's. I have a hard time with concepts like: the past, present, and future are happening simultaneously. "Time," most of my confusion centers around concepts involving time. One nde'er said that past lives do not happen like people think they do, consecutively, but happen all at once, like your past, present, and future occur at the same time. I understand that time is a human construct reflecting the human need to organize events in a linear fashion. Some things I have a hard time wrapping my mind around. Right now I do not know enough to even ask good questions, but I am reading and hope to experience some basic enlightment.

Take care, good soul, talk to you soon.

 
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