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 Finally, Some Encouragement
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I saw a program on PBS last week, "Bill Moyers: America" that actually encouraged me. It was actually a shock to my system, so much so that it has taken me a week to gather myself.

It seems the Evangelical movement has sided against their leaders ( the big mouthed,bad hair ones ). They have decided that "taking up the cross of Christ " and sitting back while his creation is destroyed is not really very "Christian". They have linked the issues of global warming and the preservation of wilderness to their faith.

Hurray, it is about time. I certainly welcome their passion.

I have never understood how one can worship God and yet care so little for his creation and it's destruction all around us. It wasn't just complacency, the leadership of their movement vilified environmentalists. I have been told that, "God is omnipotent, he created this earth for man to use and if it's falling apart then that is God's plan and who are we to be concerned".

The passage most often quoted is Genesis account of creation where man is given dominion over the earth and it's creatures. I blame this for much of the problem. In all my explorations this account of creation is the only one that "man" is not charged with living in harmony with the earth, it's creatures and plants not to dominate them.

What really drives me crazy about this position is the knowledge that the Genesis story did not even come about until the Israelites came out of the Babylonian captivity. Up until that point and for a thousand years the story of creation was of Yahweh wrestling a giant snake to force creation. A very warrior account, very much in line with the cultures reality and almost exactly the same story as the Babylonians.

So they appear to leave their captivity and the story changes and their God is no longer in need of a struggle to create the earth, he just speaks and it is so and to boot he does it in six days. Take that.

So much for my rantings, I want to focus on the encouragement. I am encouraged if even just a little, What will encourage me alot is if we can get together now and drive the dishonorable greedy mother fuckers in charge out and start again with a goal of an earth on which Christ's spirit would be honored.
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Just got here and am on the run..saw in the mailbox I had a comment from you so thought I would check you out..I just have time to scan this last post but it was enough to bring me back with my cofee and time..I rolled with that last line..you are so right on about this ..I can't stay now but will be back later..thanks for stoppin by my blog..also thank you for helpin me put things into perpective..I do not have to like the lady ..right?..I know I can't hate her for that is to strong..but I dislike the cruelness of her words..we will talk..Cracker  
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by cracker (PM , CC ) on Wednesday October 18, 2006 @ 4:17 PM




Wingfire... about God, I understand not one whit, but I do love this earthy plane we call home, and it sickens me to see it daily pummeled and pruned in the name of big business. I feel that those who carry on so blindly and arrogantly, with the future of our planet and its children so clearly at stake, must surely be destined to meet the business end of the REAL Big Business, whatever form that may take. The one thing I am confident about is "what goes around comes around",
and boy I can hear it, just around the corner. Hold tight... Ig
 
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by Ignatious 'O (PM , CC ) on Wednesday October 18, 2006 @ 4:40 PM




This worked out perfect..I was comeing back to your blog to tell you ..I'm to dumb to talk to either one of you guys..I see the wisdom of your words..both Ignatious'O and wngfire..I feel with my heart..I think ..know and understand what you are both saying..it's just that I'm not smart enough to contribute to what has been said..I can only agree..that I do..I enjoyed both blogs..laughed my butt off at the post at Ignatious..I'm not very smart but it doesn't take a genius to figure out we are headed on a bad road..price of scrape metal tells me alot..well, boys..I do thank you both for stoppin at my place..I'll be around to read you ..keep up the good work and if you ever are around my side of town stop by for coffee..I leave the light on and the door open..always...Cracker  
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by cracker (PM , CC ) on Wednesday October 18, 2006 @ 9:15 PM




hey there wngfire

I cannot believe I havn't come across your blog sooner...nice writing buddy! Good post, but do you really think Christians should get involved in another political realm?

If so cool! BTW I really like the way you think about things!

Nik
 
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by nikki rae (PM , CC ) on Wednesday October 18, 2006 @ 9:21 PM




Since I don't watch television, I listen. Gives me time to scratch my GSA.
If you have Itunes (you can run it on Windows since it is basically an Apple product) you can listen to Bill Moyers Interviews with some most remarkable folks. Just click over to Icasts.
The oldest boy and I can clean equipment while listening to some brain jarring mind food. Something I can't seem to get enough of.
Good to see this info hit the blog zone. Good work!
I'm RTB
CP
 
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by capananda (PM , CC ) on Wednesday October 18, 2006 @ 9:28 PM




Ignatious "O

I can't get with the projection of God that permeates the thinking now either, but I do recognize the disconnect between belief and knowledge. Would gladly exchange what is left of my life, if I could be assured that I would get to see how it all turned out. I am fairly sure that I won't see the outcome in this present body. I do believe it is going to be a real "good story".

glad you stopped by and enjoyed your comment.
 
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by wngfire (PM , CC ) on Thursday October 19, 2006 @ 3:57 PM




cracker

you have a heart, it is and has been the journey of a lifetime to learn the art of expressing from this position rather than the mind. I am much more comfortable in a environment that provides it's own jargon. Blogging is an attempt on my part to contact and extend myself to people who are not "on the same page".

thank for stopping by hope contact can continue

wingfire
 
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by wngfire (PM , CC ) on Thursday October 19, 2006 @ 4:11 PM




niki rae

I make a distinction between what I as the people who occupy the pews and those that have hijacked this religion. I am not a Christian, I consider myself a strict agnostic, but I welcome the passion.

wingfire
 
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by wngfire (PM , CC ) on Thursday October 19, 2006 @ 4:21 PM




capananda

thanks, have been an Apple user since I was part of the creative team that put together the 1984 Super Bowl commercial. If it were"nt for PBS and Discovery I would have alot more spare time. Bill Moyers is one of my favorites, after all he's a Texas boy.

wingfire
 
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by wngfire (PM , CC ) on Thursday October 19, 2006 @ 4:29 PM




At the most, we (humans) MIGHT get to be custodians of the planet - - and that implies some obligation to care for and protect and sustain it. More realistically, we're just one more animal species on the earth, and our very survival depends on how we affect the natural cycles at work. If we disrupt 'em enough, we get voted off and we deserve it.

Excellent post!
 
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by The Valkyrie (PM , CC ) on Friday October 20, 2006 @ 4:54 PM




Wngfire,

You certainly write with flair. The message is an excellent one. We should care about the life of things on earth outside of our own.
 
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by Art M. (PM , CC ) on Monday October 23, 2006 @ 10:54 AM




The Valkyrie

I feel the key is harmony some call it balance. I go so far as to suggest that the concept of us, as humans, being custodians is more of a reflection of how far out of balance we've become. I agree that our technology has caused the footprint of our culture to increase dramatically and as never before, but isee that as one of the symptoms of how far we have strayed from the conceopt of harmony. I can make a pretty strong argument that the concept of harmony has not received much attention any where ie the basic psychology of the human race.

I've followed the discussions in your blog, and I find the movement from the "earth based" cultures to those of the major religions today, and they were all "earth based" with a emphasis on living in harmony with, to be more compelling personally than the differences today. I certainly enjoy your blog and the discussion there. Come back and we can discuss again.

wingfire
 
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by wngfire (PM , CC ) on Monday October 23, 2006 @ 3:46 PM




Art M.

I certainly don't want to seem as though this is a mutual back patting, but I've found in my searching of compatible places that are open to different views your blog is high on the list. I am amazed on how many things that we can agree on but how our "witnessing of the same crime scene" differs.

wingfire
 
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by wngfire (PM , CC ) on Monday October 23, 2006 @ 3:56 PM




I surmise that you carry a big stick as well. Great conviction, wingfire!  
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by Rita Gail (PM , CC ) on Wednesday October 25, 2006 @ 5:04 PM




Hey Talking Stick which dishonorable greedy MF’s are you specifically talking about? Please don't list. The whole batch is spoiled. I’m surprised their inflated egos let them do their job. What ever that is.
As for the starting all over idea, I don’t think we can get a homogenized country to believe in one God (Tower of Babel). In poker when you are dealt a hand you have to play or fold. We all have a responsibility to act accordingly to take care of our lives.
 
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by tarilastank (PM , CC ) on Wednesday October 25, 2006 @ 5:44 PM




tarilstank

I really need to work on my communication skills. One God? I have never gotten past " if ".

wingfire
 
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by wngfire (PM , CC ) on Wednesday October 25, 2006 @ 6:03 PM


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   
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